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Dennis
essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 6, 2008 11:54 PM
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I want a reliable service for custom essay writing. I dont have enough time to complete my assignment due to my job. Please suggest.


susanbell84
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 7, 2008 6:47 AM
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It's good to have some info before selecting a service. It's better to look for some neutral sources to find such services. Here is a non-profit blog that provides advices on such issues. You may get help from it.


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Geoffrey Withnell

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Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 8, 2008 11:54 PM
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There is a very fine line between getting help in writing an essay, and having it written for you. Many schools are very sensitive to this issue and have gotten very sophisticated in detecting the work of essay writing services. While it can be very difficult to go to school, either brick or online and work, I'm sure that as quality professionals we want both our work and scholastic efforts to pass the "sniff test". In your situation, the first thing I would do is discuss the matter with your instructor. Most are quite aware of the struggle of work/training/life issues, and may be quite willing to help. Even if (as I assume) you are doing your own work and are only seeking some assistance, if the perception is that you have committed plagiarism, this problem will cause more difficulty than the time saved is worth.

Please be assured I am NOT making any accusation, just pointing out a potential problem is using an essay writing service.


Geoff Withnell


Richard Ickler

Posts: 624
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 12, 2008 5:59 PM
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> It's good to have some info before selecting a
> service. It's better to look for some neutral
> sources to find such services. Here is a non-profit
> blog that provides advices on such issues. You may
> get help from it.
>
>
> essay
> writing info


Just out of curiousity I went to this link and read their article. What it is talking about is hiring someone do the assignment from doing the research to writing the paper. They even make a big deal about them being custom written so they avoid plagarism though isn't turning in a paper written by someone else with your name on it by definition plagarism? I have a real ethical concern about this whole subject. What value is it to a student to take the course when they are hiring someone to do the work except to end up with the degree to put on their resume? What value is it to society to have a bunch of people who didn't see a problem with hiring someone to do their work when they found it inconvenient to do it themselves? Sorry for the rant but this whole subject hits a raw nerve.


Steven Prevette

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Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 13, 2008 2:29 PM
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This thread has been simultaneously fascinating and appalling for me. I see the original two posters haven't come back to join in the discussion, I assume none of our "moralizing" is of interest to them.

As an instructor for many years teaching evening courses for City University (Bellevue WA), I hope I would have been able to detect course work that was hired out. City U even supplied search software that you could put a paper through, and it would try to match it up with existing papers on the internet. I never did try it, I must admit.

I'd say some fault lies with an instructor who simply says "write me an essay about six sigma" (or fill in the subject with whatever). Hopefully at the college level we aren't having students just do book report essays. If so, such an instructor probably deserves it if their students "hire out" their work. I usually tried to provide experiences (like the Red Beads) during courses, which the students would then have to write their personal feelings and interpretations about. And I usually required them to tie it to personal work experiences. So, I believe (or am I deluding myself) that such a task would be hard to hire out, and in fact, the student would have some motivation to want to do themselves.

I did have one paper that was basically a cut and paste job from the internet, but that was very easy to detect, and it was of such poor quality that it faired poorly in the grading anyway.

I wonder if these essay shops purposely insert errors so that the instructor doesn't become suspicious of the "perfect" paper?

Steve Prevette
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Edward Haley

Posts: 109
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 13, 2008 3:25 PM
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This thought has never come into my brain, for any assignment - ever. Wow, my hard work can be overshadowed by an individual going for the same job - who called in their degree! Uh, fairness.

Apply this to parenting, and it is what we observe in all media outlets and personal experiences...let others raise your children, "why not...someone else wrote my doctoral thesis!!!"

Shame.


Wes Bucey, Quality Manager

Posts: 1,317
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 14, 2008 1:36 AM
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> This thread has been simultaneously fascinating and
> appalling for me.
. . .<snip>
> As an instructor for many years teaching evening
> courses for City University (Bellevue WA), I hope I
> would have been able to detect course work that was
> hired out. City U even supplied search software that
> you could put a paper through, and it would try to
> match it up with existing papers on the internet.
. . .<snip>
> I'd say some fault lies with an instructor who simply
> says "write me an essay about six sigma" (or fill in
> the subject with whatever). Hopefully at the college
> level we aren't having students just do book report
> essays. If so, such an instructor probably deserves
> it if their students "hire out" their work. I
> usually tried to provide experiences (like the Red
> Beads) during courses, which the students would then
> have to write their personal feelings and
> interpretations about. And I usually required them
> to tie it to personal work experiences. So, I
> believe (or am I deluding myself) that such a task
> would be hard to hire out, and in fact, the student
> would have some motivation to want to do themselves.
>
> I did have one paper that was basically a cut and
> paste job from the internet, but that was very easy
> to detect, and it was of such poor quality that it
> faired poorly in the grading anyway.
>
> I wonder if these essay shops purposely insert errors
> so that the instructor doesn't become suspicious of
> the "perfect" paper?
>
> Steve Prevette
> Fluor Hanford



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I agree professors can make it difficult to plagiarize or buy a ghostwritten paper when the assignments are keyed to the classroom experience, rather than some "generic" topic like "Six Sigma Initiatives." Steve Prevette's presentations of Deming's Red Beads are a good example of a topic which would be next to impossible to write about (including specific examples of specific Willing Workers and Managers) unless the author had been present at the presentation. Alas, all professors are not diligent in giving such "ghostwriter proof" assignments.

Over the years, I have sometimes even seen my own work plagiarized by some fool which then comes back to me either directly or indirectly because the entity receiving the written report or research paper has recognized it as something similar to my views or research and had asked my opinion or as a "heads up" that someone was copying my work.

Certainly, even when I was a college student almost 50 years ago, students who were desperate or lazy (or both) who had enough money could buy the brains and talent of someone equally as desperate, but much shorter of funds, to research and write papers. Most of the folks selling their services tried to justify it as "tutoring."

The only difference I have seen in fifty years is it is easier to make a connection via the internet than by using the personal referrals so prevalent in sororities and fraternities in my day.

The beauty and irony is that the internet makes it so much easier to detect
plagiarism (copying without payment or acknowledgment to the real author)
and
ghostwriting (payment to an author who agrees to remain unacknowledged.)
especially when the same paper or research is sold by a ghostwriter to multiple buyers.

In regard to the ethics or morality of the practice:
Folks whose work is plagiarized are hurt most when the thief stealing their work is able to sell the work for money and deprive the true author of income.

Ghostwriters choose to take the money and delude themselves it is a victimless crime (same as any prostitute or pimp defends the practice.)

Ultimately, the folks who plagiarize (steal) someone else's work or buy the ghostwritten work are detected as charlatans when they are unable to perform in real life as well as the promise of the ghostwritten work led employers and clients to expect. Rarely a month goes by without a well-publicized case of plagiarism or ghostwriting hitting the news, followed by the public humiliation of the thief or fraud trying to pass off someone else's work as his own.

In many cases, the public simply doesn't care when some famous athlete or celebrity comes out with a "book" he tries to pass off as his own when it is an open secret the guy is barely literate enough to sign his own name with something other than an "X." Rarely, the celebrity is honest enough to publish the book as an "As told by [celebrity] to [competent ghostwriter.]"

My personal opinion is little is served by "Tsk! Tsking" the guy trying to buy a ghostwriter's services - he's already made up his mind that it is (for him) the lesser of two evils - the greater evil being immediate detection as an incompetent. That does not mean, however, that we should aid and abet the guy in his quest for a ghostwriter. There is an old-fashioned way of showing disapproval of someone's moral lapse (or expressed intention to violate some ethical standards.) It's called "shunning." In one online Forum, members can effectively shun an ethically-challenged Forum poster by setting the Forum software to "ignore" an individual with the result ALL that poster's posts are rendered "invisible" to the person who clicked "ignore." The end result is when a critical mass of Forum users "ignore" a poster's posts, no matter how provocative, the ignored poster soon abandons the Forum - it's no fun ranting if nobody acknowledges you even exist, let alone having no one respond to ANYTHING!
- Wes Bucey, Quality Manager


Brad Masters

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Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 10, 2008 8:59 AM
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Dennis, in addition to Geoff's words of wisdom above.. what is this essay for? Are you just looking for someone to proofread? Will it require a subject-matter expert?

Thus, you will need to determine if there is someone competent enough to write in your area of interest. Also, you will need to supply them the information.

I have always found in the end for it to be quicker to write it myself.

I would start with an outline. The essay should flow like two funnels with the thin ends taped together. Start off general, and refine as you go along. Then at the end, open it back up.

1) Say what you are going to do, 2) do it, then 3) recap what you did.

I would write up your essay, then get people to help you proofread, refine, etc. In the end, I bet it will save you more time than getting someone to do it correctly in the first place.


William Pflanz

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Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Mar 12, 2008 7:45 AM
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I would suggest you do your own essay writing. If you don't have enough time to complete the assignment then you are admitting that you do not have enough time to take the course. You should drop the class until you have sufficient time.

Bill Pflanz


Michael Ellis

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Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Jan 5, 2009 12:58 PM
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Dennis,
Writing is a life long learning process. That said, essay writing is a well documented/defined process and is based on Basic English and grammar, and structure. TAKE THE TIME to learn about essay writing, build a basic format/structure template, and then let your talents take you from there for each assignment. Although you may not write essays in your career, you will be faced with similar challenges as business documents have their own set of requirements. While you are writing in response to an essay assignment, you are actually building upon a work discipline that will make you a better professional in the future. As a Quality Manager, believe me when I say a person who short steps in the business world generally produces poor quality work, it shows, it is noticed, and career advancements are affected.

Do quick searches on the net for the five-page paragraph essay to get started. Here is a link to just one of those web sites:
http://www.englishdiscourse.org/5.paragraph.essay.format.html

While there are tons of books to help you, I like to the following two:
The Elements of Style by William Strunk JR. and E.B. White (for basic writing do's and don’ts) and The Brief English Handbook by Edward A. Dornan and Charles W. Dawe (for writing of all types of documents, including essays.)

I completed a BS while working full time and raising two kids. My course work required substantial essay writing. I credit the discipline of writing I learned in school with opening eyes within my company as to my potential, which by the way lead to direct career advancement to a management position.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my thoughts and the very best to you in your educational efforts.

Michael Ellis


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Claire
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Sep 29, 2009 8:23 AM
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heyyy checkout Student Research Ltd. This is a Cambridge based company and I used their services last year... they are very reliable and professional....

http://www.universitywork.co.uk

Good luck...!


Geoffrey Withnell

Posts: 700
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Sep 30, 2009 7:11 AM
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Very interesting. The essay writing services are now scanning the essays with plagiarism detection software before sending them out. I think that instructors are going to have to question students about their essay in real time, to see if they actually understand what in it, and how the references support the data and conclusions therein. In real time, so the student can't reach back to the service and get the necessary responses.

Geoff Withnell


Wes Bucey, Quality Manager

Posts: 1,317
Re: essay writing service??
Posted: Sep 30, 2009 10:32 PM
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> Very interesting. The essay writing services are now
> scanning the essays with plagiarism detection
> software before sending them out. I think that
> instructors are going to have to question students
> about their essay in real time, to see if they
> actually understand what in it, and how the
> references support the data and conclusions therein.
> In real time, so the student can't reach back to the
> e service and get the necessary responses.
>
> Geoff Withnell



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Off topic: "Claire" strikes me as a link spammer, rather than someone interested in the Quality profession. Only time will tell, of course.
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Geoff raises a point that disturbs me as I hear and read about student assignments - the professors assigning the essays and research seem either lazy, overworked, distracted, or all three because the assignments seem so darn generic and the "set up" given to the students seems destined to force them to turn in bland, generic work instead of something which shows the student has actually learned something in preparing the assignment.

In that vein, I often wonder whether those professors have sufficient depth of knowledge and experience to conduct a meaningful oral examination of the subject matter of the assignment.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but we seldom get questions about good, specific, and meaningful assignments because those professors have given sufficient direction to their students so they don't feel a need to come to strangers for answers because they get those answers from good professors.
- Wes Bucey, Quality Manager